Posts made by mcostan

@scottalanmiller

Except of course Zimbra lacks the features that Kopano has. And that I need.

@scottalanmiller

Would you like a free unpaid login on my u paid community edition installed and working?

We can have an unpaid video conference?

@scottalanmiller

sure, paid or unpaid the product works for me. In fact every posting you do I get a notification by email via mobile phone activesync z-push that you have done so

So all good for me.

@scottalanmiller

put it this way: I do run it and it works. And if they reply it means that they do have customers as they are paying the employees to reply to you.

And yes, there are developers as they reply too (perhaps not to you in this instance but they are active).

@scottalanmiller

As I said I never had any issues with support from them from the forums or directly. Even if I am just a community user (i.e. I do not pay) they always helped me out even directly from the developers.

@scottalanmiller

as I said what you see in the community download section is the mainline branch. Not the production releases. If you want those, you pay for them.

@scottalanmiller

Agreed, your postings now referring to Centos 7 are absolutely fine.

You should get some feedback from the community at some stage.

Note that (I am not the expert here so apologies if I get this wrong) from what I understand Zimbra gives you the community edition which is a cut down version of the production ones (i.e. you have to pay for it otherwise), whilst Kopano gives you everything in the community edition with no restrictions but you either get the sourcecode or the mainline builds.

For me I cannot use Zimbra as I cannot pay for the features I need (and perhaps they wouldn't be there anyway), so I need Kopano. But clearly I am taking the mainline branch and although I never have had issues before, there may be for what I know.

Therefore if you did take the official Kopano packages and install them, i.e. the branched releases, I am pretty sure they would be spot on.

I tend to run two parallel environments, one Kopano production and one with the latest community edition which I take regularly. When I am satisfied it is all fine, I move it to production.

well, you posted something on their forum to say that it doesn't install on an Ubuntu platform that they do not support...

It's like saying that I can't get Microsoft Excel to work in Linux?

@scottalanmiller

I am getting the exact opposite impression:

a) it is supported
b) it installs fine in my environments
c) if you want paid for support you can of course buy it.

That said I have no choice anyway as kopano gives me the functionality that I need, Zimbra does NOT.

Therefore for me the choice is only one. I need a car with 4 wheels and right now there is only one that I can have, so that's the one I buy.

@scottalanmiller

It's for historical reasons (unrelated to Kopano) that I run Debian and Centos in production and it's fine. That said, you may have a different opinion on your production environments and by all means you should choose those.

@mcostan

now really I have to stop this as I have work to do.

All I can say is that I am a happy user and unless Zimbra gives me the functionality that I need in the community edition which it does NOT, I'll stick with Kopano.

At the end of the day, I can only choose a product that gives me the FUNCTIONALITY I need and it works.

I can't use Zimbra as it does NOT have the functionality (community edition) so for as much as we can debate what's better and what's worse, it's a NON STARTER FOR ME.

If I can't have the functionality I can't use it. It may be great, stable, never go down, support Ubuntu 19.78 but if it doesn't do what I need, I just can NOT use it.

When it does, I'll be happy to revisit it.

End of the story for me.

@scottalanmiller

So if I am trying to install a package for Centos 6 for Centos 7 it should work? Of course not.

They support 16.04 and not 16.10? well, up to them.

It works for me.

@mcostan

In any case I do have work to do, so I wish you good luck in your search and all the best.

By all means you should choose what works for me and I'll use what works for me.

Everyone happy.

@scottalanmiller

Because I run Debian and Centos 7 in my infrastructure so I installed it there.

@scottalanmiller

you are saying that the packages do not work, I am saying that the packages work.

Go on the forums and ask them.

Anyway by all means buy Zimbra and forget Kopano if that what you want to do.

If anyone asks me if Kopano works, YES it does work.

Perhaps you didn't install it properly?
Perhaps you didn't have Centos 7 setup correctly?
Perhaps you didn't run the correct command?

Perhaps you do not know what you are doing?

So please stop complaining. It's like me saying that a German car doesn't work without driving one.

Go on the forums and ask them if you have very specific issues.

Right now "just doesn't work" isn't an answer. It works for me and I am happy and I have no reported issues.

@scottalanmiller

The forum is new, because until last month the forum was based on the zarafa forum until they created the new repository.

If you go in the zarafa one you will see a lot more of the past topics, some of it is still applicable to Kopano.

That said, I would write to Kopano directly (sales@kopano.com, support@kopano.com) and ask them your queries as well as in the forum.

Now I do have to go to do some work, by all means keep me uptodate, but I am a user, not an employee, so I do have to do some work that pays my salary (and I am not paid by Kopano).

@scottalanmiller

Again... All I did was to go on the community website (which I do regularly nowadays) get the packages and install them.

I did NOTHING else and it just worked.

Even if I had some tweaking to do (which I do not in my case) I would still do it because simply the functionality compared to Zimbra (for what I need, that is me not you) is vastly better to the point that Zimbra just doesn't have it in the community edition!!!

That said, I have been running this stuff in production and the only downtime I had was when I had a hardware failure and that had nothing to do with them.

As I said, talk to them, not me, as I am a happy user that's all I can say.

But there again, some people buy Italian cars (well, me), some German, some British, whatever.

When you do, you go to the dealership and ask them what they have to say and check if it works for YOU

I do consider Kopano to be a very professional company and in my experience when I did have queries or anything else, they have always been very responsive and I had my answers quickly.

@scottalanmiller

Hi just to be clear I run on Debian. In any case please feel free to talk to Kopano. I am not an employee just a user and I may be giving you incorrect information.

If you are trying to buy a car at the very least you go to see the dealership, not a random buyer that may be biased or otherwise.

I would therefore recommend you to contact them directly and see what they say.

If you are happy with Zimbra, do stick with it. Your users are your customers not mine.

I am happy with my setup which is Debian (8) and Centos for mailscanner etc.

As I said I would be very happy to consider Zimbra etc. etc. except it does NOT have the features that I (meaning me not perhaps you) actually need. Therefore I stick with Kopano.

Zimbra is better? Perhaps, I don't know, I haven't tried it. However, it does NOT have the features that I need to use it successfully unless I pay for it. And since I am a community user, I can NOT use it. That's about it for me!

@scottalanmiller

As I said I do run Kopano every day and I do not have any reported bugs.

If I did I wouldn't be able to use it for my company.

That said, I am not a kopano employee so you should direct your questions to them.

As of today, I have no knowledge of anyone complaining in the forums of packages not installable nor I have any bugs that stop me from working.

I think we should stop here.

I am happy with Kopano and you with Zimbra, so that's great, everyone happy.

@scottalanmiller

Please note that Kopano (commercial version) is a production software which runs.
I am sure if you took the time to actually contact Kopano and ask their advise, they would be very happy to assist you and explain you how it works.

Have you tried downloading their demo system by the way on their website?

I cannot comment on which distributions the software is built for, but personally I'd rather run in production with Ubuntu 16.04 (marketd as LTS by the way) rather than the latest Ubuntu.

Same as I run Centos 7 in place of the latest Fedora which keeps changing.

I do not believe Kopano is an amateur project at all, at least not to my experience.

If you are however happy with other solutions such as Zimbra or others, by all means use those.

As I said I have no affiliation with Kopano whatsoever, I am just a happy user and, for what I do, I have not found anything else that I can use in the same way. I did look at Zimbra, sadly it is missing features (at least in the community edition) that I need to use.

So as far as I am concerned, I have ONE choice and that's Kopano. That said not everyone needs what I need, therefore by all means if Zimbra does what you need, go with it. You are the one that has to be happy, not me.