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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      I lived for nearly a decade with only 100MB for email. Honestly, I could function with 200MB pretty easily.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @Carnival Boy
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        @Carnival-Boy said:

        @scottalanmiller said:

        Your other interest is cookery, or writing about cookery?

        Both. I cook and I collect cookbooks.

        But do you write for the consumption of others?

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said:

          I lived for nearly a decade with only 100MB for email. Honestly, I could function with 200MB pretty easily.

          So can I - assuming I have cloud storage for files and things I use from anywhere.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
            last edited by

            @Dashrender said:

            @scottalanmiller said:

            I lived for nearly a decade with only 100MB for email. Honestly, I could function with 200MB pretty easily.

            So can I - assuming I have cloud storage for files and things I use from anywhere.

            Even without that...

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              @Dashrender said:

              @scottalanmiller said:

              I lived for nearly a decade with only 100MB for email. Honestly, I could function with 200MB pretty easily.

              So can I - assuming I have cloud storage for files and things I use from anywhere.

              Even without that...

              You then either never need any tools, or you know where you can acquire them without the need for you to store them someplace yourself.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said:

                @scottalanmiller said:

                @Dashrender said:

                @scottalanmiller said:

                I lived for nearly a decade with only 100MB for email. Honestly, I could function with 200MB pretty easily.

                So can I - assuming I have cloud storage for files and things I use from anywhere.

                Even without that...

                You then either never need any tools, or you know where you can acquire them without the need for you to store them someplace yourself.

                I rarely need tools but I sure have never stored tools in my email.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @Dashrender said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @Dashrender said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  I lived for nearly a decade with only 100MB for email. Honestly, I could function with 200MB pretty easily.

                  So can I - assuming I have cloud storage for files and things I use from anywhere.

                  Even without that...

                  You then either never need any tools, or you know where you can acquire them without the need for you to store them someplace yourself.

                  I rarely need tools but I sure have never stored tools in my email.

                  That's an old habit of mine, long before cloud storage was a normal thing. While I do have around 1 GB of email - I'm sure I could delete 90%+ and it really wouldn't matter.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    What kind of tools do you keep in there? For tools, if they were not available online, it seems like FTP or HTTP would be good, too.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender
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                      I was looking over the options I put into the MS worksheet. I didn't change my level 4 users from 1 GB to 200 MB. After doing so, the sheet now says I should use one DB.

                      But I still don't know what Database and Log Configuration / Server vs DB and Log Volume Design / Server is?
                      0_1459261691723_exchange1.JPG

                      At my current listed maxes
                      6 users max 10 GB
                      14 users max 5 GB
                      65 users max 200 MB
                      Max total = 143 GB

                      So I more or less know where the left side numbers are coming from, where are the right side coming from? Is the additional size for a restore LUN? The 70 or so GB isn't enough to restore the DB into, assuming it's maxed out.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender
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                        The storage design tab definitely seems antiquated as well. It does have the JBOD options that MS recommends when using DAGs, but when assuming bare metal install:
                        DB - RAID 1, two drives
                        Logs - RAID 1, two drives
                        Restore - RAID 5, three drives - WTF MS? are you really expecting me to use SSD?

                        So the design is 7 drives.

                        As for a VM situation - the worksheet doesn't really seem to have any suggestions.

                        0_1459262251928_storage1.JPG

                        0_1459262256625_storage2.JPG

                        0_1459262260337_storage3.JPG

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
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                          It's their recommendations assuming you were cutting big time corners from 1998. I'm not kidding, that's where those recommendations come from.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            It's their recommendations assuming you were cutting big time corners from 1998. I'm not kidding, that's where those recommendations come from.

                            yeah - this tool is damn near useless!

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                            • nadnerBN
                              nadnerB
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                              Well, you can have every user in their own database if you really wanted to. That would be horrid but you COULD do it.

                              IMO, you seem to have a small exchange server so one database for the users is enough. If you are into it, a seperate one for the archives.

                              I would also have these drives:

                              • OS
                              • mailbox database
                              • logs
                              • archive database (if you're doing that)

                              I think I'm probably repeating what's already been said.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @nadnerB
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                                @nadnerB said:

                                Well, you can have every user in their own database if you really wanted to. That would be horrid but you COULD do it.

                                i could only do that if I bought Enterprise edition - and that would be just crazy 😛

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  The concept of splitting the database and logs is based on the antiquated thought that no one could possibly afford RAID 10 for the database and had to cut corners and get RAID 5. If you are not using RAID 5 on spinning disks, then your logs do not get split from the database. They perform better being on the same array, not two different ones.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    The concept of splitting the database and logs is based on the antiquated thought that no one could possibly afford RAID 10 for the database and had to cut corners and get RAID 5. If you are not using RAID 5 on spinning disks, then your logs do not get split from the database. They perform better being on the same array, not two different ones.

                                    So in my case, they aren't suggesting RAID 5, because I don't have a storage need? LOL - yeah this tool really is just old! and nearly useless!

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                                    • travisdh1T
                                      travisdh1 @Dashrender
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                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      The concept of splitting the database and logs is based on the antiquated thought that no one could possibly afford RAID 10 for the database and had to cut corners and get RAID 5. If you are not using RAID 5 on spinning disks, then your logs do not get split from the database. They perform better being on the same array, not two different ones.

                                      So in my case, they aren't suggesting RAID 5, because I don't have a storage need? LOL - yeah this tool really is just old! and nearly useless!

                                      uhm..... I'd say drop the nearly on nearly useless.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @travisdh1
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                                        @travisdh1 said:

                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        The concept of splitting the database and logs is based on the antiquated thought that no one could possibly afford RAID 10 for the database and had to cut corners and get RAID 5. If you are not using RAID 5 on spinning disks, then your logs do not get split from the database. They perform better being on the same array, not two different ones.

                                        So in my case, they aren't suggesting RAID 5, because I don't have a storage need? LOL - yeah this tool really is just old! and nearly useless!

                                        uhm..... I'd say drop the nearly on nearly useless.

                                        FTFY 😛

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          The concept of splitting the database and logs is based on the antiquated thought that no one could possibly afford RAID 10 for the database and had to cut corners and get RAID 5. If you are not using RAID 5 on spinning disks, then your logs do not get split from the database. They perform better being on the same array, not two different ones.

                                          So in my case, they aren't suggesting RAID 5, because I don't have a storage need? LOL - yeah this tool really is just old! and nearly useless!

                                          Yeah, it's worse than useless, it is actively misleading. Pretty much for most Exchange current installs you can make due just fine with RAID 1 and done.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            That's going to be my new phrase...

                                            RAID 1 and Done.

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