New Words That I Am Promoting
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@Kelly that's because that was used specifically as an example of using a verb where a noun was better to make it sound bad.
When a verb is more appropriate using the noun is just as convoluted. Use the right word at the right time. If we don't have the verb, we are stuck using the noun in all circumstances rather than only when it is the best choice.
Picking out an example of the most common use of the noun is, of course, going to be unnecessarily complex to use the verb form instead. This would be true of noun/verb pair.
"I am here to fix the vacuum."
"I am here to fix the device used for vacuuming."
Yet we would not feel that vacuuming should not be a verb, right? This is just a place where the noun form is better.
"She is vacuuming the house."
"She is using the vacuum in the house."
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@scottalanmiller said:
"She is vacuuming the house."
"She is using the vacuum in the house."
What's worse, those two sentences can have different meetings.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
"She is vacuuming the house."
"She is using the vacuum in the house."
What's worse, those two sentences different meetings.
Very true, all the more reason to have all of the words at our disposal to make meanings are clear as possible.
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I'm open to being wrong here, but I'm unclear why people feel that having a verb for attrition is bad but verbs for other nouns is good. What is it about attrition that makes the verb uniquely bad in this case? I realize not every noun can have a verb, but attrition is actionable. You can be attritioning in the current sense.
You can say "How quickly are we attritioning right now?"
There is a reason why the scientific community uses it heavily for loss of tooth enamel. It's pretty clear, IMHO.
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I should be clear too, this is a word that is used in scientific and business communities already. I'm just promoting its use. Sometimes I make up words that I like, this is not one of them. Just one that I'm shocked the main dictionaries have not included as it has over 60 years of documented use that I know of and is one that many businesses use commonly.
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Common use doesn't make it a good use of the English language. "Cloud" is one of the more common of the most egregious offenders in this regard. I don't object to making attrition a verb in specific, but in principle. The English language, and its American derivative have been much abused by sales and advertising over the last few decades, and that makes me very resistant to alterations that serve little to no purpose in my opinion.
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@Kelly said:
The English language, and its American derivative have been much abused by sales and advertising over the last few decades, and that makes me very resistant to alterations that serve little to no purpose in my opinion.
Verbification is primarily driven by Eastern influences as the use of English has altered heavily as India is a primary English speaking zone now. In some cases that means incorrect usages are occurring but in others it is new word forms or approaches to speech and, in some cases, preservation of older forms.
This isn't a case of alteration but of recognition, though.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
The English language, and its American derivative have been much abused by sales and advertising over the last few decades, and that makes me very resistant to alterations that serve little to no purpose in my opinion.
Verbification is primarily driven by Eastern influences as the use of English has altered heavily as India is a primary English speaking zone now. In some cases that means incorrect usages are occurring but in others it is new word forms or approaches to speech and, in some cases, preservation of older forms.
This isn't a case of alteration but of recognition, though.
I'm speaking more generically than with attritioning. Try inserting Cloud into your statements and see how that rubs you
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And letting English growth be driven by Indian influences will not end well for the language. I have been there, and heard what they speak and teach in several regions.
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@Kelly said:
And letting English growth be driven by Indian influences will not end well for the language. I have been there, and heard what they speak and teach in several regions.
I agree whole heartedly, but I'm curious how that's any different than, say, Australia or North America?
Regional dialects are nothing new.
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@Kelly said:
I'm speaking more generically than with attritioning. Try inserting Cloud into your statements and see how that rubs you
I am going to improve my website's performance by clouding everything to the localest web host while attritioning my need for high fandangled hardware.
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@MattSpeller said:
@Kelly said:
And letting English growth be driven by Indian influences will not end well for the language. I have been there, and heard what they speak and teach in several regions.
I agree whole heartedly, but I'm curious how that's any different than, say, Australia or North America?
Regional dialects are nothing new.
There are dialects and then there are hybrids. A dialect is generally understandable to language speakers from another region (once you get past an accent). Indian English in particular is a fusion of their disparate languages with the bastardizations that have been institutionalized through their own teaching systems. They do not, generally, teach the Queen's English.
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@Kelly said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Kelly said:
And letting English growth be driven by Indian influences will not end well for the language. I have been there, and heard what they speak and teach in several regions.
I agree whole heartedly, but I'm curious how that's any different than, say, Australia or North America?
Regional dialects are nothing new.
There are dialects and then there are hybrids. A dialect is generally understandable to language speakers from another region (once you get past an accent). Indian English in particular is a fusion of their disparate languages with the bastardizations that have been institutionalized through their own teaching systems. They do not, generally, teach the Queen's English.
One of the worst offenses is the regular misuse of the word revert!
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Sorry, @scottalanmiller brain is undergoing continuous malfunctions. (more here ).
Can't words convincingly together put.. ness...? Oh, dear. I'm out of this thread.
